The Electronic Magazine of www.Chathouse.com.

Issue #60 ~•~ June 13th, 2001
ChatMonster!!

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The Chathouse ~Chat Dominatrix~ Interview With a ChatMonster   Note:: Please note that at the end of the interview there is a special page from RantMaster with his thoughts on the future of the Chathouse.    I've been given the privilege of being able to interview a Daemon who I consider both a mentor and a friend. And who may be better known as mikeoh or Chatmonster throughout the Chathouse. So please read on and take a peek and learn a little about someone who not only makes the Chathouse a better place to chat, but who has befriended many of those that chat here. The Interview ³  Age & sign?  Young enough to remember what it's like to have an erection, too old to have one.  Gemini  ³  Location?  Boston  ³  Marital status?  Married ³  Children      1  ³  Pets  A cat named Skunk  ³  Pet Peeves  People who think it's OAS.  ³  Hobbies  Watching the sunset ((  a picture mikeoh took )) ³  A favorite Motto  It wasn't a great movie but how can you beat, "Pass it Forward"?  ³  Musical preferences  Anything by Mozart.  ³ If you were to start chatting now and were never a Daemon what handle do you think you'd use?  Nicholas Urfe ³ What rooms do you think you would chat in most? Joes, Last Call and Boulevard of Broken Dreams ³  Without giving names what do you think of the chatters you've met thus far.  I like them all, particularly the demented, grudge carrying, sociopathic ones. ³  How often do you get to come in and chat for leisure? Does a bricklayer go home and lay bricks or his wife? ³  If you could change anything about the Chathouse® as a chatter what would it be?  I would make all the rooms sound and video capable. ³ Do all the daemons get along well? Now that Ping Pong is gone, yes. The not so new guy, is the best yet.  ³ Do you think your boss would look good in pie?  Only at his wake, and from the looks of things, that may not be far off. ³  Anything else?? I'd like to thank all the chatters who have, for some reason, volunteered to do most of my work, selflessly and without pay. One in Texas comes foremost to mind.     I thought, with my ChatMonster being the modest little monster that he is, that I would collect and add a few thoughts and comments from some of our chatters who have encountered this monster roaming through the Chathouse. Impressions Of A ChatMonster     RantMaster On The Chathouse's Future TOP

Featured Chatter Colonel Crispy What handles do you chat under? Colonel Crispy, Ävôôz£™, Mëñ†å£ På†ïëñ†™, Ðï®k Måñh円åñ™, ħh™ How did you decide on the handle (s)? •Colonel Crispy-Too many KFC commercials •Avoozl-From a computer game, the name caught my attention •Dirk Manhattan-After having too much time on my hands to think, I dreamt him up as a 1930's P.I. •Mental Patient-My dark cruel side. •Ash-EVIL DEAD FOREVER!!!!! Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada How long have you been chatting, which rooms, etc... Over a year and a half, mostly found in Twister. Age & Zodiac sign? Age-20 on July 18th. Zodiac Sign- Cancer the Crab Marital Status? Single (subject to change) Kids? I am my own kid... Pets? nope. Profession? Carry-out at a grocery store. Hobbies and Interests: •Hobbies-Video games, watching DVD movies, streethockey •Interests- Whatever grabs my attention Musical Preferences: Rob Zombie, U2, Robbie Williams, Matthew Good Band, AC/DC Pet Peeves: People who have no sense of humor. A favorite Motto or Quote to live by: If I can do it, you can do it, if I can't, don't bother. Anything else that you'd like people to know about you? I'm a nice, sometimes shy person who is willing to lend an ear to a friend in need. Changes or improvements that you'd like to see at the Chathouse™: The allowance of using files from our hard drives as opposed to the net to make our profiles. (i.e. Instead of having someone put a pic of me on their site for me to use in my profile, I could use my hard drive to add the picture) TOP

My Two Cents Click to see my homepage in a new window by My2CentsDealW/it! Dear2c@HoTMaiL.com My Two Cents on Timothy McVeigh Before I begin, let me say that the execution of Timothy McVeigh at 7:00 am Monday, June 11th, 2001, was the fitting punishment for the crime he committed. I say this only because what I am about to say, regarding Timothy McVeigh, may not be what many might expect! A little background research on Timothy McVeigh reveals what appeared to be an unhealthy fascination with guns. It also reveals the fact that he "washed out" of Green Beret training in the Army due to "failure" of the psychological fitness exam. On the other hand, it reveals that he distinguished himself in his military service and held ARMED positions of employment, security and armored car, without incident. It has been said the "McVeigh found an order and a purpose in the military that were lacking in his life in upstate New York". McVeigh grew up in an apparently average family and his parents divorced when he was 15. His childhood and life, by all accounts, were no different than that of a great number of other Americans. Where Timothy McVeigh shined, however, was in the military. Timothy McVeigh was a warrior. He was NOT a mass murderer, serial killer or mad bomber. He was a warrior. Now, with that being said, let's look at what he did to earn the first federal death penalty since 1963. His bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah federal building was not an act of murder, but an act of WAR.  Timothy McVeigh was not uneducated a or dim-wit, he earned a college scholarship based on entrance test scores, although he did not finish college. He was far from the redneck bubba that many equate with "right-wing extremists". He viewed the raid at Ruby Ridge and the deaths of Randy Weaver's wife, Vicki, and son, Sammy, at the hands of over zealous government agents, as the governments over-stepping of it's bounds. When that was followed 8 months later by the incident at Waco and the deaths of 76 men, women and children at the hands of the government, McVeigh's opinion of the government grew stronger. Then the passing of the Brady Bill (Gun control legislation) in November of the same year was apparently viewed by McVeigh, as well as many others, as a serious attack on our 2nd Amendment "Right to Bear Arms".  These are just a few of the better documented examples of government abuses and attacks on the Constitutional rights of the people that motivated Timothy McVeigh. I could list many others that I'm sure he was aware of and outraged about as well, but the point here is the motivation. The growing popularity of the militia movement at the time was not "just for fun", but rather based on many of the same concerns about the direction our government has taken. Now personally, I do not think that our government is so far gone that we need to resort to violence or armed revolt, but in the same breath I will say that we are not far from it. However, Timothy McVeigh, being of the warrior mentality, apparently DID view the governments actions as an act of war against the American People. The government fired the first shots at Ruby Ridge and Waco, then followed up by trying to limit the people's ability to arm themselves in defense! Now, it is worth mentioning here that Randy Weaver attempted to buy illegal sawed-off shotguns from an undercover agent and the Branch Davidians at Waco were a "religious cult" accused of hoarding illegal weapons, but neither incident was appropriately handled by the government and both resulted in inquiries into the handling and protocols used. Even the Brady Bill was later gutted by the Supreme Court, ruling that it would violate the balance of power between Congress and the States to require local police to run background checks. So, again I would say that we have not come to the point of armed revolution, but in the eyes of Timothy McVeigh and others like him, conventional means aren't working, or not working fast enough, and he apparently felt the need to retaliate against what he viewed as an act of war on the part of the government. On that level, I believe he did succeed in sending a wake-up call to many Americans in regards to the direction of our government. However, his actions were not warranted or necessary, therefore his punishment for the bombing of the federal building is justly deserved. He killed 168 people, 19 of which were children, in an act of war that was uncalled for. In contrast, however, the actions of our own government at Ruby Ridge and Waco resulted, either directly or indirectly, in the death of 78 people, including 31 women and 26 children. While the actions of Timothy McVeigh were extreme and reprehensible, the motivation behind it does bear at least some validity. His execution is a double-edged sword, sending a message to those who choose to step outside the conventional channels of dealing with our government as well as bringing to light the abuses of our government, with the FBI's admitted mishandling of documents, in the final days before the execution, being a glaring footnote to that aspect. So, as you reflect back on the execution of Timothy McVeigh, or see and hear the commentary that will surely follow it, bear in mind the motivations that drove him. Keep in mind the government abuses that lit the fuse. Pay attention to the actions of our government in the future and take the time to learn from the actions of our government in the past. But above all and most important, GET INVOLVED! If you do not vote, if you do not pay attention, if you do not make your voice heard to those who represent you, then you WILL wake up one day to find yourself living in a country that bears no resemblance what-so-ever to America. I woke up in that country many years ago, but the majority of Americans out there are still sound asleep in that regard or have become apathetic, disinterested or too busy or selfish to care. Timothy McVeigh cared, perhaps TOO much, but if we all cared enough to be involved, then our government may never have gotten to the point that McVeigh felt the need to retaliate. What he did was undeniably WRONG, but the total weight of responsibility falls not just on him, but on the government and We The People as well. Timothy McVeigh will not blow up any more buildings, of that we can be sure, but the only way we can rest assured that this will not happen again is to wake up, both individually and as a nation, and become active in our own government. Right the wrongs that our government has done in the past and pay attention and speak out in regards to the actions of our government in the future! The Constitution is the foundation of our government and it has been ravaged over the years. While some Amendments were justified and still maintained the original intent, there are many that directly violate the original intent of the Constitution. Many of these Amendments which violate the original intent of the Constitution are at the heart of many of our current problems. Many of the "laws" that our government has enacted are, in reality, Unconstitutional! These are the things that We The People MUST know and work to correct. These are the things that result in incidents like Waco and Ruby Ridge. These are the things that lead the 'Timothy McVeighs' of the world to take matters into their own hands. Let the death of Timothy McVeigh be the death of the LAST American Terrorist. LET US NOT CONTINUE TO SET THE STAGE FOR ANOTHER! Citizens for Constitutional Government So, what have you got to say? Let me know and I'll tell you if it's worth 2 cents! Dear2c@HoTMaiL.com *note: all names and handles will be changed or removed to protect the pathetic* TOP

Executing An American Terrorist LadyGreenEyes™ June 11, 2001 8:15 a.m. Over the past hour and fifteen minutes, I sat in front of my television, glued to the screen, as I watched the news covering the execution of Timothy James McVeigh. I had intended to let this day go by without paying any attention to the end of the life of the man who took the lives of 171 people in the Oklahoma City Bombing. I say 171 people instead of the 168 who were recognized as being murdered by McVeigh, because of the 3 unborn babies who were killed when the lives of their pregnant mothers ended. For all we know, there could have been even more unborn lives taken, about which we’ve not heard, nor will we ever, because the women who could have been carrying new life inside them never got the chance to find out. Timothy McVeigh took that chance away from them. I am a pro-life advocate and oppose the taking of human life in any form outside of the duty we have as a country during a time of war. I am against abortion and euthanasia, suicide and yes, capital punishment. Even still, I could not let the monumental event marking the end of one of the most abhorrent acts of terrorism in United States history go unnoticed, even though my original intent was to let McVeigh’s execution pass with nary a blink of my eye. My heart aches for the lives that were lost in this senselessly tragic event, from the unborn to those whose deaths were recognized, from the survivors of the bombing to the survivors within the families of those who died, and yes, from the family of Timothy McVeigh to McVeigh himself. He, himself, has become another statistic; the "collateral damage" and "human toll" of which he spoke in his last press statement published over the weekend. The loss of human life, in any form, is a tragedy in my eyes. McVeigh’s actions go beyond horrific. There is not a strong enough word in the English language to express or accurately describe what he did or the type of person he had to be to carry out such an act. He planned it, chose the site, planted the bomb, lit the fuse and calmly walked away as if nothing was amiss. When the eyewitnesses to the execution spoke about what they saw, it was clear; Timothy McVeigh orchestrated the events leading up to and including his execution, with calculated precision. He accepted his fate with the serenity of someone who had drawn up a blueprint of death from start to finish and remembered to include his execution as just another part of the plan. The passage from Invictus, which he chose as his final written statement, said he was the master of his fate and the captain of his soul. Timothy McVeigh chose his own destiny and he was in control from start to finish. I will never understand, nor will probably anyone, how a handsome young man who served his country faithfully in the military during the Gulf War, a decorated war hero, could turn around and commit an ugly act of terrorism on the very soil he swore to protect, against the Constitution he was to uphold. Government screw-ups, dishonesty, banning possession of guns, or whatever reasons the so-called “freedom fighters” choose to provide for opposing the American government, be damned. There is no legitimate excuse for actions like this, which blatantly oppose the laws of the land they claim to love so much and for whom they claim to fight. All in the name of “freedom.” During the television broadcast, I prayed. I prayed after the bombing for the victims whose lives were taken from them for no good reason. Today, I prayed for God to have mercy on the soul of Timothy McVeigh. He is considered to be a monster in the eyes of many, because only a monster could do what he did so coolly and not blink an eye. Even McVeigh, monster or not, is entitled to the Mercy of the Ultimate Victim, whose once and for all sacrifice took on the sins of the world and paid for each of them, from the beginning of the world until the end. I prayed the Lord’s Prayer for McVeigh and was struck in my meditation by the words, “forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us.” Timothy McVeigh trespassed against the people he killed, their families, his own family and an entire nation. We didn’t forgive him. We executed him. We exacted our revenge in the form of a lethal cocktail of drugs administered through an intravenous tube inserted into his right leg and we call our vengeance justice. He has paid his debt to society through his death and even so, he will not be forgiven. Still, we call this justice. I am willing to bet that we will all still expect to be forgiven for our trespasses, great and small, without another thought given to our unforgiving hearts toward Timothy James McVeigh. I wonder what the one and only true Justice thinks of that? Do not misunderstand. I am not a supporter of McVeigh. I do not condone, in any way, the actions he took six years ago to lead him up to today. There is no punishment equal enough in this world to compensate for the lives he took. Life in prison with hard labor isn’t good enough and neither is death. No matter how you try to paint the picture, he only had one life to give as recompense. Compared to the number of lives he took, there was no equality of retribution and there never will be. I forgive Timothy McVeigh. I didn’t lose a family member or a friend in Oklahoma City that day and I cannot possibly fathom how those who did must feel. Maybe if I was walking in their shoes I might be singing a different song. I’d like to think I wouldn’t. I’d like to think other people could forgive, too. When I suggest that we should forgive Timothy McVeigh, I do not suggest we should have let him go free. That’s not the kind of forgiveness I mean. I’m talking about the kind that comes from within. I feel a great deal of sorrow over this whole matter. I’m sorry for the people who died, that their lives were taken from them for no reason. I’m sorry for the family members and friends who have to go on without their loved ones and who had to relive the pain all over again as the wound was reopened today by the execution. A mother of one of the victims said it was a demarcation point of justice, a period at the end of a sentence. She also said there would be no closure for her until the day she dies. Most of the families feel that way. Was there sense in reopening the wound without cauterizing it? The execution did nothing to help in that end. I will even go so far as to say I feel sorry for McVeigh himself, to a certain degree. I'm sorry he felt he had to commit this crime in order for our government to sit up and take notice. I'm sorry that his heart, for whatever the reasons, grew so cold and empty that he felt no compassion or remorse for his actions. I’m also sorry that McVeigh wound up hurting even more people when he was executed, in that members of his own family will have to live with the reminder of what he did and his death, every single day for the rest of their lives. He was still someone’s child, someone's brother and probably even someone's friend. I have some serious issues with the death penalty. I don’t care what form is used to execute someone, the taking of any human life is inhumane. Period. Full stop. I’m not saying that the acts committed which put people on death row aren’t inhumane, because they are. Killing someone is an inhumane act in general because it goes against the law written within our hearts that all human life is precious. Since feelings of wanting to exact revenge in the face of murder's inhumanity are natural, with the wave of a hand and the bang of a judge’s gavel, we legalize the taking of yet another human being’s life as repayment for the crime committed and call it normal, healthy American Justice. The United States is catching flack from all around the world today for legalizing capital punishment and this country lost its seat on the UN Committee for Human Rights largely due to its death penalty stance. Not surprising. Look at the company we keep. Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia and China are the only other countries that still practice ‘an eye for an eye’ in the form of criminal execution. We’re supposed to be the good guys, but look who is rubbing shoulders with us. Death culture makes for strange bedfellows. We know the death penalty doesn’t work as a deterrent to crime. If it did, people like Timothy McVeigh, Richard Speck, John Wayne Gacy, and other murderers wouldn’t still be killing. One execution would’ve been enough to get across the message that we won’t tolerate the crime of murder. If the death penalty worked, I wouldn’t personally know someone with whom I went to high school who has been sitting on death row since 1986 in Illinois State Prison, awaiting death by lethal injection. Now, while I think that George W. Bush was the lesser choice of the evils presented to us during the last presidential election, behind his presidency, the United States is now jumping into its federal executions full force. There has not been a federal execution in this country in over four decades. Timothy McVeigh was the first. President Bush has already given the green light on the next one, which will take place next week. The culture of death continues. We are about to be innundated with executions and George W. Bush, while not being responsible for the sentences these people received and not being the person who pulls the lever or shoots the needle, is just as much the executioner as the one who does. He is the man who stands at the gallows behind the black mask and his mask is the Presidential Seal. The death penalty is not dispensed fairly in this country, in my opinion, which is just another reason why I am against it. Minorities and the poor are often lacking in a fair trial and the real possibility of executing an innocent person exists. The death penalty is not doled out to all murderers, just some. It depends on how heinous the crime and in what state the crime is committed as to whether or not someone is condemned to die. That is not fair, equitable, or the “justice” the United States proclaims. Justice is fair. Or at least it’s supposed to be. I don’t know what the answer is, but obviously the death penalty isn’t it. It does nothing but sink us down to the very level of countries we oppose in their governmental principles, or lack thereof, and to the levels of those whom we execute. They kill. We kill. It’s a vicious circle. I’m torn on this issue because obviously I have a Christian slant to my opinion. Even if I wasn’t a Christian, I wouldn’t be on the side of the death penalty and I realize that makes me a minority since most Americans approve of it. While I loathe this practice our country has adopted, my human nature says that McVeigh got what he deserved, but not nearly enough. Today at 7:14 a.m., Timothy James McVeigh died. The order of execution was carried out. His death certificate says the cause of death was lethal injection. It also says the manner of death was homicide. Homicide is murder. Justice. Gotta love it. TOP

Horoscopes By Texas Storm   Taurus April 20 - May 20 You are feeling very sleepy, you are feeling very sleeeepy. Oh, wait, sorry, horoscopes, not hypnosis. You will assert yourself this week. And you are still feeling very sleepy, regardless.   Leo July 23 - August 22 Staring at a melon in the supermarket is one route to nirvana and everlasting happiness. Usually because the staff will tend to put a discount on melons after they notice someone staring at one for hours on end. Which is pretty happy, if you ask me. Virgo August 23 - September 22 Ironing! How could you write an article about loving to iron! Gaaaaaargh! This message comes from Saturn, who's just had to iron their shirt, and is just happy enough to leave the damn thing wrinkly (possibly with more crisp wrinkles after an hour of wrestling with it). If you haven't written an article about ironing Saturn's still annoyed, and would like you to take note.   Gemini May 21 - June 20 Car chases are not all that interesting, judging by the one you're involved in this week. Of course, it might have been more exciting if you weren't on a scooter, pushing yourself along, shouting 'Follow that car!' every couple of minutes or so, which had been accompanied by pointing at the aforementioned car until you almost lost control of the scooter and veered too close for your comfort into a postbox. After which you were quite content to just shout and push yourself along.   Capricorn December 22 - January 19 The owner of the slipped disk of which you find yourself in possession returns this week, thanks you for watching and watering it while he was on holiday, and then disappears again. You're rather disappointed you got nothing other than a thank you. Even though your watering of the disk consisted of spilling your drink on it while going to put the drink back on the coaster the slipped disk was serving as. Cancer June 21 - July 22 An interesting magical experiment to try this week: Steal a lock of someone's hair who you'd really like to take to dinner on Thursday, sprinkle basil on it, and then call them to tell them you've got something you'd like to give them, and would they like to come over on Thursday for dinner so you can give it back. Tie the lock up with a red ribbon if you want them to come over wearing nothing but a trench coat. Pisces February 19 - March 20 If a lemming doesn't want to be caught, a lemming is not going to be caught. So let it go, man, let it go.   Aries March 21 - April 19 While your skills with juggling wine bottles are quite impressive, the waitstaff still requests that you leave the restaurant, which you take to mean you should accompany the guy you hit with one of them to hospital. Personally, I was impressed that you were able to take a swig from the one with wine left in it while keeping all the others in the air. Mostly.   Libra September 23 - October 22 Unlike finding a penny, finding someone's dentures is good luck no matter which side is up! Consider yourself lucky this week. Scorpio October 23 - November 21 The continuing absence of your horoscope worries you. Well, okay, it doesn't, really, but it gives you an opportunity to look worried at parties and have beautiful people come up to you and ask why you're looking so worried.   Sagittarius November 22 - December 21 If a tree falls in a forest and crushes the butterfly flapping it's wings, will there still be a tidal wave, sucking down the whole of California? We can only hope, we can only hope...  [1] No explicit malice is meant to those people that find themselves living in California. Possibly a small bit, but that's probably because we're jealous. Or something. In no way does this condone violence, tidal wave-involving or not, against Californians. Unless there's no other option.   Aquarius January 20 - February 18 When I started writing these horoscopes (today, not whenever it was I started on here, a year and a half or so ago), I could feel my arm. I can no longer feel most of my arm. This may be taken as a warning against writing horoscopes at any rate, for those of you still interested in using your arms after such an activity. You have a spot of curry on your sleeve. TOP

From The Desk Of... MichiganStorm™ Free Chat- What does free mean to you? Without cost? Without obligation? Perhaps both of these things and maybe more? For me it means Chathouse®, the only place I like to chat. I've tried MSN messenger, didn't care for it. I was once an ICQ junkie, now it just drives me crazy and is basically nonexistant on this computer. I've tried Yahoo! and AOL instant messaging service, I've tried almost all chat services I could find on the internet that woudn't cost me money, but yet here I am. Why? Because Chathouse® is the ONLY place to chat! There is a diverse selection of people- ages and careers, homelands and cultures, etc. The Chathouse® isn't just a place to chat for me anymore, it's where I go to catch up with friends, the friends that I met and made there, the friends I wouldn't have if it wasn't for Chathouse®!! I know I'm not the only person to feel this way... But to keep Chathouse® free, we can make a few simple clicks for them can't we? Click on the ads and help keep our free chat FREE! I realize that they might seem annoying or that you might not feel obligated, but then if we don't feel obligated to make a few simple clicks for them why should they continue to feel obligated to give us the greatest place on the WWW to chat? Good Deals- Free Wireless Phone - How bad can it be, it's free?! Interested? Give the page a look!! I'm in the process of signing up for one! FREE 15$ Gift Certificate!! All you have to do is sign up for a X10 Discount Club email letter and confirm your registration, and POOF there is a 15$ certificate in your email!!! It's good for your first purchase through them!! They have mini-cams and other great deals! The Question- Last week I asked a question, simply put: If a chatter is married should or would this change the fact that he/she enjoys chatting? Should or would it change the fact that other's enjoy chatting with him/her? Would or should it change the way people react to him/her in a room? What do you think?? The Replies- Here are some of the replies I recieved: • no ! i dont think it matters if your married or not to chat...i mean its chatting? I know many ppl that chat that are married and it doesnt matter to me? Its there buisness what there intentions are...what they get out of it...what they lack or what they cant talk about to other ppl face to face...we are all here for the same reason...the views..the different countries ..the fears the tears the happiness,, the friends that you can make *S*...AND no i dont think we should change anyway we chat to them...we all have our own way of taking things our own sense of humour and our LIL devils in us *G*,,,we have the world at our fingertips PPL!. I say enjoy ..married or not..make friends EVERYWHERE and welcome to the world of chat ! -§enile Fanta§y • It shouldn't change anything, as long as the person isn't lying about it or having extramarital affairs online. -anonymous • I wasn't aware married (or unmarried) people couldn't have lives or friends? -anonymous • I don't feel it's anyone's business if a chatter is married or not, it is up to the chatter to tell anyone he/she feels fit. I also believe that if people are curious enough to start bullshit rumors, even ones as juvenile as "oh no, the boy I like likes her... I'll tell him and the rest of the room she's married", perhaps the curious parties should ASK. Do married people now develop the plague when they exchange vows? Is it wrong to have married friends? I've plenty of married friends, IRL and online, someone's marital status does not a person make. If this person is not breaking their vows, what's it to the rest of us if they chat? More power to them for enduring the institution called marriage!! -MichiganStorm™ ch_zine@hotmail.com TOP